Question: Who are the scheduled castes and tribes? Why the need for job quotas for them?
Answer: Scheduled Castes & Scheduled Tribes are communities that are accorded special status by the Constitution of India. These communities were considered ‘outcastes’ and were excluded from the Chaturvarna system that was the social superstructure of Hindu society in the Indian subcontinent for thousands of years. These castes and tribes have traditionally been relegated to the most menial labour with no possibility of upward mobility, and are subject to extensive economic and social disadvantage and discrimination, in comparison to the wider community. Caste Hindus can be ejected from their jâtis (castes) and become outcastes and various tribal or formerly tribal people in India may never have been properly integrated into the social system. When Mahâtmâ Gandhi’s subcaste refused him permission to go to England, he went anyway and was ejected from the caste. After he returned, his family got him back in, but while in England he was technically an outcaste.
Question: What is the scheduled castes and tribes population?
Answer: According to the 2001 census,
Scheduled Castes : 138,223,277 about 16.48% of total population
Scheduled Tribes : 67,758,380 about 8.08% of total population
Question: Does giving job quotas work?
Answer: Yes. If it had not worked, the social system in India would’ve ensured that there were no people of backward caste and tribes in our Parliament, School and University teaching staffs,…or any other place except doing menial labour like cleaning human waste and animal, dealing with bodies of dead animals, working as bonded labourers for life and hoping to get food once daily, among other humiliating work.
Question: Isn’t quotas in studies enough?
Answer: If the social conditions were unprejudiced, it would’ve been enough. Higher castes won’t always give jobs to deserving depressed castes.
Question: Wouldn’t giving quotas in private sector be dangerous for the Indian economy, as what the government is thinking of doing?
Answer: It will be much more dangerous if the depressed classses are left out of the earning loop. If the earnings gap widens steeply, the social conditions will only worsen. The private sector will not be able to work in such conditions either. Better take a pound now then carry a ton later.
Question: But why legislate to do this? Why force people?
Answer: The private sector didn’t make the call itself, even after more than a decade of opening up the economy and giving it time and environment to make heavier profits.
Question: What about the Right of Equality enshrined in the Indian constitution?
Answer: The Right of equality cannot be just one sided. If the social conditions and prejudices cannot give an oppressed person the right to equality, the government has a duty to step-up.
Question: Does any other country in the world also have such positive-discriminatory policies?
Answer: USA, South Africa, Brazil, Japan, UK (actively considering), among many others. Besides women and disabled are almost always in this category in majority of nations.
Question: But still, India is a growing economy.
Answer: Leaving a large portions of population below or around poverty line while the rest of the country moves ahead invites social unrest and may lead to terrorism and militancy. Motivated enemies can easily make good use of such opportunities to their advantage in a diverse nation such as India. Besides, a united nation and synergies of all the populations can only lead it to better economy and cohesion.
Bringing in downtrodden classes into the higher level workforce will ensure cheap supply of labour for the Indian companies, giving it the cost competetive edge for much longer. Indian salaries are already rocketing raising a fear that it might leave this major edge.
Question: What about merit and quality of service?
Answer: Private companies are expected to be more cautious in recruitment compared to government departments. Job quota will merely ensure that capable candidates from the depressed classes fill those positions. To a foreign consumer of backend services, a higher caste’s English accent is as different as a lower caste’s. The quality of services given is not exected to make much difference.
Question: Wouldn’t the higher castes retaliate?
Answer: Retaliation and insults are not going to be much of a deterrent to a lower caste used to daily doses of similar attroticities. Huge magnitude of retaliation (strikes, voilence and riots) will only lead to more companies going away from the effected areas and thus fewer jobs for everyone. The depressed classes are expected to be much more mentally tougher to the abuses from foriegn clients, and much more inclined towards hard work, due to their past experiences.
Question: But why the injustice against the higher castes?
Answer: Higher castes are rich enough and connected enough (if not rich) to people with resources to get them out of the hole they might find themselves in from time to time. Depressed classes are not. Higher castes do not have to face almost daily persecution, segregation and humiliation at schools and work. Their children and women don’t face insults and taunts almost daily. They do not always have to work in dangerous, unhealthy and unhieginic places and conditions. Children of depressed classes have to be doubly motivated to even come to school in such conditions. Imagine getting up daily to work the whole day in dusty mines and fields as a child, and still going to school in the evening, and pass the grade. All this when someone is always insulting you and your forefathers, and taking away your books. How many of us can do that? Indians get agitated when a tech worker faces discrimination at work in US, but that same tech worker goes back home to India and gives out similar or worse treatment to his naukar (servant or helper). What would you call that if not utter hypocracy?
Job quotas will ensure that the oppressed classes will be encouraged to apply for higher end jobs. It will lead to them concentrating on improving themselves and making themselves competetive and comparable to international standards. Personally, I will be worried if the government talked of giving more quota in their own departments, going by their recruitment methods, but private sector can take care of itself. Many will find ways to circumvent this policy anyway, but it will atleast give a fillip to the aspirations of many from the downtrodden to have a better future.
Besides hindus believe in Karma. India being a majority hindu nation, may be its time that its higher castes pay back its dues to the lower castes for the treatment it has meted out to them over thousands of years. A bad Karma nullified can only be good for everyone, not just for some character in a TV show.
Updated: A discussion was underway on this topic at The Acorn. Other blogs too have parallel discussions ging, but many of them keep contradicting themselves to keep the argument going.
Many of my views are at The Acorn which have not been posted here due to lack of space and, frankly, time. Some of you may not be able to see the later parts of the discussion there properly (as I) due to bad formatting or something. I’ll try to summarise that discussion here sometime soon.
Again, any prejudiced caste or class deserves a little push from all of us. Be it women, disabled, people from the depressed classes who need it (some don’t), and if India doesn’t wants to end up being another Latin America or South Africa, it has to get rid of discrimination from society, but foremost from the minds. Many might be OK with India turning into another Latin Am or S.A., I’m Not.



What the f* are you talking about.. What about a poor brahmin ? is he s??d just because he is of a higher caste …
I can agree to a sytem of quotas for poor people but not caste … by keeping the caste system around (for quotas) we are not moving forward i.e eliminating caste system.
You are such a piece of s# .. total B-S-
(Some words have been changed by the Administrator but nothing has been deleted to keep the sentiments of the commentator alive)
Comment by Vishwas — Mon 19 December, 2005 @ 7:04 am
Vishwas,
I wish it was all B-S-, but I’ll reconsider if anything that has been written is not true. I can agree to a quota of for poor people too, if the conditions were bearably unprejudiced for the depressed castes, but unfortunately they are not.
“What about a poor Brahmin”
Well, What about a dalit? Is he s??d just because he was born into family that even that poor Brahmin wouldn’t want to have anythinhg to do with?
Comment by Administrator — Mon 19 December, 2005 @ 2:07 pm
HI,
all what is written above is it true today? i have never seen in my life a dalit been insulted in school or any where ellse, inspite the higher class students get insulted as after getting good marks they are not getting entry in good institutions.nad on top of it rich dalits get scholarships also to fuel their parties and bikes. If govt wants to make reservation then bring up new corporates and put in 100% reservation there for sc and st`s and let it compete with other corparates. Also if needed pay double the salaries in the new coming 100%rev corporates .
who is suffering One example during the 6 dec in pawan exp a group of dalit boys tried to rape a women, they take all your seates and insult you, is this ok?
Comment by rahul — Mon 19 December, 2005 @ 2:34 pm
Rahul,
Please take out some time to travel the country and you might start noticing a few things that happen.
I’m not sure how much practical your alternate solution would be.
Comment by Sachin — Mon 19 December, 2005 @ 9:33 pm
Your argument has it merits. But there are limits to ‘reservations’. The real problem is casteism or racism and 1 billion of us have no intention to stop this insulting practise.
The Govt. is squarely to blame for the problem. Instead of spending money on primary education, the government is misplaced in its priorities and is only reacting to vote bank politics. The government should be spending more on quality primary education for the underprivileged castes or sections of the society. It goes a longer way in solving the problems faced by the scheduled castes and tribes than anything else. By empowering SC / ST and the poor, they can stand shoulder to shoulder with the rest of the world.
Unfortunately I do not see the under privileged being treated on par for a long time to come in India.
One solution: Let’s begin by each one of us destroying our caste identity. Any one who has the guts here?
Comment by SloganMurugan — Wed 21 December, 2005 @ 11:24 am
Hey,
Extremely refreshing to read your thoughts (which mirror mine) on the issue of job quotas not only for dalts, but also for MBC and OBC communities (artisans, farmers, weavers, potters etc. ) who have been suppressed by generatios of abuse.
hopefully this private job reservation bill would see the light of the day.
you have done a beautiful job of explaining the whole issue
fantastic
vasu
Comment by Vasu — Tue 3 January, 2006 @ 1:55 pm
may be people supporting and enjoying when they die, go to god and ask for reservations in heaven even their deeds do not match,
they even manipulate lord krishna saying you are an OBC so why the hell you are giving us the hell.
* those who does atrocities on people(oc’s,bc’s sc’s….)
double * those who enjoy reservations by showing people of the deprived societies
Comment by vamsi — Wed 4 January, 2006 @ 9:06 am
If we have reservations for each and every one, then wont be ending with 100% reservations. The entire concept behind “affirmative action” is that it is to give a particular class of people some time to get to a point where they can compete with everyone else. Does your reservation scheme have any checks against a “rich” dalit taking up a job ? Reservations on the basis of caste/religion will never get the desired benefits.
Additionally, affirmative action in USA is based on economic criteria. If an African-American/Hispanic family is well-off, the y are not accorded any special rights.
Comment by Greatest Hokie Ever — Wed 4 January, 2006 @ 9:12 am
I have not seen any dalit being mistreated ever in an urban setting.My dalit classmates went to same coachings,had other privileges(sometimes even more) than what my upper caste classmates,they had same study materials,went to same coaching classes , in short thr was no difference between us and thm except tht thy paid almost nothing for school fees ,purchased forms of competetions at nominal fees . They scored less than many upper caste classmates but went to better colleges and hence landed themselves in better jobs. Now the benefits of job quota will goto thier children not to my maid’s son who deserves (and is dalit) this push upwards but it will never get to him as dalits living cushioned lives have similar and even more privileges than upper castes now and thy are laid back as they know they will get a college or a job easily, as there is less competetion for thm in their quota.I am a recruiter myself but whn I see a profile I dont care what caste person belongs to and no one ,i hv came across in my career of 10 yrs, does it.
Comment by anudita — Wed 4 January, 2006 @ 10:15 am
Anudita,
You are right when you say that some people from the depressed castes who do not deserve to be getting any benefits are making use of it. It is not to be condoned, but the same can be said about some upper caste people who are using reservations by getting fake certificates. There will always be some people from both sides who will get things they don’t deserve, but a large number of people shouldf not be deprived of something which doesn’t work 100% right. But most of such cases will happen in citiesurban areas and not in the villages, which are actually the targets of such policies.
Besides there are also a number of people from lower castes who are not using reservations.
I’m not OK with reservations myself, but there is no better alternative which will not result in greater divisions and at the same time provide more opportunities for the depressed classes.
Greatest Hokie Ever,
You are absolutely right. But the ‘Creamy layer’ is what the fight should be about.
Each nation has positive discrimination based on its own needs. In some nations even the roads are divided between bicycle riders and cars. I’m also waiting for a day when reservations in India will be a thing of the past, but not at the cost of marginalising a great percentage of my fellow countrymen.
Vasu,
Thanks for the compliments, but I try to be as fair and objective as possible from what I observe and feel around me. I confess I too have my limitations in doing that.
Vamsi,
I’d appreciate if you can contribute positively. I’m not deleting anything but please maintain some amount of respect for yourself and others.
SloganMurugan,
In my view, the caste should not be forgotten. Its the identity of a person. Its not the caste that I’m against, I’m against the discrimination that happens in the name of caste.
Comment by Sachin — Wed 4 January, 2006 @ 3:39 pm
1) The USA does not have private sector job quotas. Affirmative action is not the same as job-quotas.
2) You have not proposed a method of monitoring or measuring “backwardness”. There is no time limit proposed.
Rich, wealthy, powerful OBCs are waiting to pounce on this cake - once it is passed for SC/STs. The “menial jobs”,”working in unhyegenic conditions”, were only applicable to the SC/STs. The landowning, aristocratic zamindars never did any menial jobs.
This job quota will of course be supported by all OBCs. They know that once the SC/STs get it, it is only a matter of time before their political power will ensure they get it too. It is called piggyback riding on the hapless Dalits.
My Response
1. Apart from affirmative action, there is another term called diversity in US. Concept of diversity has been wholeheartedly taken up by the US private companies. While government contractors and employers have it mandated in their charters, private firms have mostly voluntarily adopted it. In sharp contract to India, NO Indian company has voluntarily adopted any sort of special treatment, even for women or the disabled, leave alone the depressed classes (Frankly, I may be wrong here as one-two might be there). That’s why the need for legislation as a better form of a special treatment which the government can think of.( it has worked in government jobs)
2. Many OBCs really do deserve it. Take the case of Jats in northern India. Jats have been under depressed classes in some geographies, while they have been rulers in some other. It would really have to be decided based on domicile of the person. There will be many black sheep who will get it, but a large majority should not be ignored because of them. About the time limit, in fact we all are waiting for how the government plans to implement it. No one yet knows whether the time limit is there or not yet.
Frankly, a large part of pen and paper (and brains) have been lost on arguing about the need for reservations. While the ‘real’ discussion should be who should get it, and the processes behind when and where to take out the special treatment once the need is gone. Apart from democratic and judicial processes that should check such occurrences.
I still haven’t answered your final question about what checks I propose to identify the real needy, as frankly I’m incapable of by myself at this time (I’ll have a post soon). Like I said, a good discussion is needed on this.
Comment by vivekanandan — Tue 10 January, 2006 @ 10:10 am
“Question: Wouldn’t the higher castes retaliate?
Answer: Retaliation and insults are not going to be much of a deterrent to a lower caste used to daily doses of similar attroticities. Huge magnitude of retaliation (strikes, voilence and riots) will only lead to more companies going away from the effected areas and thus fewer jobs for everyone. ”
I hear a threat here. ‘Dont-protest-or-else-all-of-us-will-suffer’ kind of thing.
“Question: But why the injustice against the higher castes?
Answer: Higher castes are rich enough and connected enough (if not rich) to people with resources to get them out of the hole they might find themselves in from time to time. Depressed classes are not.”
All roses are red and all higher caste people are rich! A very poor generalization indeed.
Have you heard of this lady called Mayawati from UP? While I havent seen it, I heard that she treats the ‘upper caste’ IAS/IPS officers in UP like scum - making them sit cross legged in front of her while she sits in a chair.
So discrimination works both ways - upper and lower castes. If you observe more closely, the powerful (due to richness or education or physical strength etc) have always dominated the less powerful people. So, why do you want to extend the reservations only to those belonging to lower castes? Why dont you suggest reservations to physically disabled (already there), economically backward (what gaurav sabnis suggests), corporate training (what Indian industry suggested) etc.?
This sort of reverse discrimination would make India more casteist. Is that what you want?
My Response
“I hear a threat here. ‘Dont-protest-or-else-all-of-us-will-suffer’ kind of thing.”
Its not a threat, its a reality. You mentioned you were from Andhra Pradesh, so you must’ve heard about the Naxalite problem, and the reasons behind it. They had been left on the bottom side of the tree, so they’re reacting violently. And this is just one part of India, if the gap continues to grow, it’ll soon start happening all over the country. Would you like to be a prisoner in your own country, so that you (or your family) doesn’t get harmed or robbed?
“All roses are red and all higher caste people are rich! A very poor generalization indeed.”
I’m sure not all higher castes are rich or connected enough, but they certainly are not prejudiced against when being looked up for a job opening. The fact that you have given me one example of Mayavati treating higher castes with disdain and forgot to mention thousands of examples of higher castes treating the dalits with utter disregard to human dignity, itself shows how much un-prejudiced you yourself will behave when you find yourself in a position to choose.
“Why dont you suggest reservations to physically disabled (already there), economically backward (what gaurav sabnis suggests), corporate training (what Indian industry suggested) etc.”
Your raising this point shows that you’ve read the things that most suit your arguments and didn’t pay attention to things that don’t suit your argument. Please read the whole set of arguments and post carefully, so I don’t have to waste space and time arguing about things already mentioned.
“This sort of reverse discrimination would make India more casteist. Is that what you want?”
No. But Is India not highly casteist now? Higher castes will feel the pinch of keeping the caste system alive, sometime or the other. If your idea of making India less casteist is to just keep the one-sided casteism alive where the dalits keep towing the higher castes’ excreta and get their insults, then I’m assuming you are also one of the ‘highly educated’ Indians who responds only when Indians are the targets of racism but forget what that same ‘highly educated’ Indian does to his servant back home in India. I’ll refer you to another example of what ‘highly’ educated’ Indians are capable of (http://unsaid.blogsome.com/2005/12/11/dowry-terrorism/) when it comes to robbing their own caste people, leave alone someone from the other caste.
Comment by Raghu — Fri 13 January, 2006 @ 6:13 pm
To continue comment #12, why isnt anyone talking about reservations for women? It is common knowledge that women, irrespective of their caste, have never been treated the same as their men counterparts. Then, why isnt anyone talking about reservations to women. (Do I hear someone calling me selfish? Of course, I am. Atleast this one, someone from my house can corner some jobs
)
Before indulging in votebank politics or myopic decisions, let us see what we can learn from history. The place where I come from, Andhra Pradesh, has the usual engineering and medicine common entrance tests (CET) which had negative marking (-1/4 for each wrong). Initially, this CET had a qualifying mark of 40%. But as the number of seats increased, the government found that there werent enough students to fill up the ‘reserved’ seats. So, it decided do remove the qualifying criteria for the reserved classes. And then what happens? You have people scoring less than 10 marks on 200 getting into engineering colleges! Even if someone marks all 200 questions blindly as A (or B or C or D), they would score 12.5 (assuming equal distribution of answers). How would you expect their non-reserved classmates (who would have scored more than 80 marks out of 200) to consider them as their intellectual equals?
Did Mandal report (that everyone is hotly debating) contain any stats regarding the pass percentage of ‘reserved’ classes? My personal experience showed me that a disproportionate number of ‘reserved’ students were at the bottom of the class rankings. Does Mandal report give an answer for this ‘comfort zone syndrome’?
Shivam Vij reports
My Response
). But not many from society will oppose reservations for women, while as you can see from the debates, many in society oppose reservations for backward castes. Why?
“why isnt anyone talking about reservations for women?”
I talk about reservation of women, and all other prejudiced sections of the society. (Of course you are selfish, that’s why you want to keep the depressed classes depressed
“My personal experience showed me that a disproportionate number of ‘reserved’ students were at the bottom of the class rankings.”
I’m sure you must’ve seen things happening in your colleges that no one would want to see. Frankly, I’ve seen it in some places too. But I also noticed that in many places (not just in Andhra Pradesh) there are a extremely high number of colleges who take students merely based on the donation money. Why did you forget to mention that? While the disproportionate number of ‘reserved’ students were at the bottom of the class rankings because they might have to work while studying, or can’t afford books, or don’t have electricity at homes (so they could study) and basically be there in an unsupportive society and environment (some might not deserve it, but why generalise). But the people who could afford donations, were lowly ranked almost entirely because they were partying or having fun (Some might have genuine reasons, but how many are they?). Would you want to go to such doctors because they have a last name of a higher caste?
Mandal report ‘reports’ the situation of the backward classes in Indian society, and then recommends corrective measures to rectify it. If the situation of backward classes were good enough, there would’ve been no reasons to recommend and corrective measures.
Comment by Raghu — Fri 13 January, 2006 @ 10:18 pm
Sorry, there was a problem in copying my comments above. Continue here….
Shivam Vij reports here that ‘dalits’ are discrimanted against even in cities. My question to Shivam and Unsaid - Would you get treated someone you know get operated upon by a doctor who could not even clear the medical entrance test… and who stood last in his/her medical course?
Food for thought… heh?
My Response
“Would you get treated someone you know get operated upon by a doctor who could not even clear the medical entrance test… and who stood last in his/her medical course?”
First of all, to give an example, not all reserved category students are how you have describe them. There was a case in the prestigious Medical Institute of AIIMS in New Delhi, where a reserved category student had got higher markes then anyone (reserved or unreserved), but denied admission because the higher caste employee who’s ego got hurt made sure of that. Also, if you forgot, even one of the Indian President was from a Dalit community.
Second, those doctors will ask for extremely less fees,so atleast the poorer sections of society can get medical attention. I’m sure you won’t go there, but don’t be surprised if many others will. How much is that different from Indians in US going to Indian doctors because they ask for less fees? They can do what the patient wants, so why go to a better doctor who will rip you off? This is not to say that all Indian doctors are worse, but the same thing can be said of the dalits. Not all dalit doctors are worse than the higher castes too.
To answer your question, yes I will. I’ve also seen many affluent sections of society going to doctors who are dalits, not just OBCs.
Reservation exist as a side-effect of existance of pre-judices in society, not just because it should be there. If there was no pre-judice, there would be no need of reservation. Why reservation? Because it has shown resutls in government departments. The government will go for a policy that is proven somewhere, rather than something else.
Reservations is a way to get the exposure to higher trechniques of working and better experience. The same can be said of Indians wanting to go abroad to get better exposure to techniques and apply them back home. Reservations will ensure that the lower sections are getting good exposure to newer techniques too, and inspire others from their community to aspire for better living and higher learning.
Even US has a quota for developing countries to come there and workstudy. May be, you forget that because you got benefitted by that, but don’t like the same thing happening in your own country. What was that you mentioned about being selfish
…just kidding.
Comment by Raghu — Fri 13 January, 2006 @ 10:22 pm
Unsaid, I am not saying that all ‘reserved’ students are inferior to non-reserved students. Btw, what is the AIIMS case you are talking about. Can you please point me to any sources? And how do you say that doctors from ‘reserved’ classes charge less fees? Again, can you please point me to any reliable references?
I wanted to add something else to my earlier comment #14. A lot has already been said by anti-reservationists about ‘eye-fo-eye-making-the-whole-world-blind’ etc etc. I ask, what next? Are you going to force people to marry someone out of their caste? RVPaswan might say, ‘Sure, why not?’.
Before you accuse me of going tangential, let me explain. It is all a matter of my choice. If I am a bigot and refuse to recruit dalits, it is my choice! How different is it from refusing to allow a dalit (or for that matter anyone) into my house. Isnt that my personal decision? If my house is my private property and hence I can refuse you entry into my house… why cant we extend the same logic to my 2-employee pan shop/grocery shop/video library. Extend the same logic to a SSI. As long as I run the company/firm using my capital and without recourse to public funds… as long as I pay my taxes fine… would it be ethical for the government to bully me into recruiting someone I dont want?
Assuming that the government succeeds in coercing me into recruiting someone I dont want… what would the government do if my business folds over? Would it pay me anything towards my ‘perceived losses’? Hold on, I am NOT saying that recruiting a dalit would result in my business going under. I am just talking about a possibility. Can RVPaswan give me a guarantee that I wont incur any losses? If my business fails even after I recruit someone I CHOOSE, I have no one to complain against - it’s strictly a bad decision on my part. But if the government doesnt want me to recruit my first preference candidate and choose the second preference candidate (say, a dalit)…. cant I blame the government for my failure?
How can someone force me to do something against my wishes. Forget legal and constitutional for a while (reservations in private sector could be made ‘constitutional’ by a bunch of short-sighted vote-bank politicians)… is it ethical?
Coming to the issue of discrimination, I can understand if someone told me that a brahminical company would prefer a brahmin against a non-brahmin all other things being equal. But why on earth would some businessman prefer A over B even if A is inferior in qualifications (scores, marks, degrees - or whatever the relevant criteria might be). Such a decision would be taken only by those people who dont have a stake in the proceedings - like the myopic Indian politicans.
Finally, why are we talking about reservations in private sector NOW? Why did no one talk about this 30-40 years back? When the tatas and birlas were still bigger than most government bodies? Is it because private sector is offering better jobs now? Is RVPaswan like a hound who smelt blood? A recognition that he doesnt have a finger in the pie that is growing?
Why are most government bodies stinking of inefficiency? Why is Tata Steel doing better than government steel plants? Why is Infosys doing better than CMC (which used to be a govt run company till sometime back)? Privatization was supposed to be make things more efficient, more cost-effective. And this is possible only if it is meritocratic, not bureaucratic. I rest my case.
My Response
Raghu,
Almost ALL of your points have been debated Here and at the Acorn link. I again humbly advise you to read them before raising often-repeated arguments.
Comment by Raghu — Sun 15 January, 2006 @ 9:06 pm
For those against DALITS:
Thalai vali avan avanukku vanthaa thaan therium…. Only if u r a dalit,u can understand the atrocities made to them…(sometimes those are done in the background).
Comment by Kanmani Veera Ilanthiryan — Sat 4 February, 2006 @ 10:44 am
Reservation had its place at a point when there were indeed atrocities being committed. As a child I remember visiting my grandmother in a Brahmin-controlled village in Thanjavur. Since I grew up in Bombay’s metropolitan culture I had no inhibitions in mixing with children from all castes. My grandmother was quite shocked when she found out I had actually played a game carrom in the house of a lower caste person! However she was progressive enough to accept that and life moved on.
Therefore times are changing but it hurts to see reverse discrimination when one is the victim. For a person who has never embraced the caste system to be discriminated against using some reservationist criteria can be quite disheartening. The sad part is there is no end to these sorts of policies once the start. In fact they get misused quite often and the momentum is such that it will gradually lead to a lot of talent leaving the country because their own leaders forced them out of jobs and education. Only mediocrity sheltered by a protectionist mindset will remain and God help anyone who has to go to a hospital for treatment 20 years from now! You will probably be treated by a doctor who only had to get 50% of his paper correct at medical school.
Comment by Srini — Sat 4 March, 2006 @ 2:39 am
The insistance on quotas really serves to distract attention from what is wrong in the educational system.And it suits the ploiticians of all hues if a large chunk believe that they have really benefitted.what ails the system is utter contempt for rule of law, thriving corruption and role of power. and hese are not being addressed in the current discussions.It is not that a small number of underserving would benefit but that it is the creamy layer that would corner most of the benefits .No sir it will not do to deprive a deserving person just because S/he has no voice (being of a higher caste).what you are grandly giving away is someones right, it does not come Free.Please have the courage of conviction to face a review of quota system.let us have hard data on the social background of those who have benefited from the quota system and see if there is really a very significant difference of opinion.Yes we all have a stake in good governance, and we are going to need a lot of intervention.Lets not allow the focus to be shifted away from accountabilty of the government to its citizens.
Comment by Sanjay — Sun 14 May, 2006 @ 6:16 pm